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Interesting. You call the Manes the ancestral "gods" but then define them as the non-corporeal shades of the dead. That would be a pretty good description of the pre-reformation Christian description of the soul after death and before the resurrection of the body, unless it goes to hell.

A soul in hell would not interact with the living, but a soul in purgatory or heaven does interact with the living. In fact, today is All Saints Day, which is a holy day of obligation for Catholics, on which day we celebrate and ask for the intercession of all the dead who are in heaven right now, specifically including those who are not canonized (ie, canonized saints are only those in heaven whom the Catholic Church recognizes as saints; the fact that someone is NOT canonized does not mean they are not in heaven). My little sister, who was baptized and died in an accident at the age of three, is a family saint. I can pray for her intercession.

However, I can also pray for my ancestors who are in purgatory, AND ask for the intercession (prayers) of those same ancestors. I do that every day. And tomorrow, which is All Souls Day, is specifically set aside for special prayers for that.

The primary difference I see between the Roman veneration of the Manes and the Catholic and Orthodox veneration of the dead is that we specifically define what we mean by God (uncreated transcendent being) and the human soul. The Romans apparently confused the two. Most of the beings they called gods would be what a Catholic would call an angel, demon, saint, or a soul in purgatory or heaven.

And we most certainly do interact with the souls of the dead. Unlike the Romans, I don't fear the wrath of the souls of our family dead. But I pray for those who may be in purgatory, and I ask for the prayers of those who may be in heaven or purgatory. And I leave it to God to figure out who is where. The veil is pretty thin for Catholics and Orthodox too.

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Against The Dying Light.'s avatar

This is a very good article. Now too often we look at ancient religion through the lens established of American protestantism. This article does a good job looking directly at Roman religion

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